we have been talking about the fiscal cliff now for months. we had a budget melt down a year and a half ago when the debt ceiling debate came. we talked about many times the uncertainty that faces manufacturers. you can't make investment decisions on long-term capital expenses for that will be paid off over years if you don't know what the government is going to be taken from you from taxes or higher energy costs. manufacturers are really trying to figure out what is next? what is on the horizon. they need certainty and they need positive certainty that whatever happens on the fiscal cliff is not going to impact them in a very negative way. >> what if it is a bad deal though? we talked about one disproportionately skewed in higher taxes. sometimes i think and i could be out to lunch on this that a bad deal would be worse than a no deal. >> see, i tend to agree with you. when you talk about certainty there is also as you just pointed out bad certainty. you don't want to have that. and when some folks in washington are talking about raising indi